I had a cuppa this morning with a friend and have suggested that she joins the Forum site. She is a direct descendant of Stephen Hawtrey and has kindly lent me
two novels written by another member of the family, Florence Molesworth Hawtrey. She is descended from brothers, Montague and John Hawtrey. I questioned her on
this and she explained, with the help of the 'tree', that the family married cousins. She has drawn up a fantastic family tree going back to 1143. It
has to be seen to be believed really. The novels are entitled 'The History of the Hawtrey Family'. Volume I has 13 portraits and volume II. has 3. They
were published by George Allen of Charing Cross Road in 1903. I mentioned to her that we were from Windsor, and the Hawtrey history lesson followed on from
that. I had copied for her a photo from a book I bought in Windsor a few years ago. The photo is of Stephen Hawtrey with some pupils and they're standing
outside the school in St. Mark's Road. I hope she contacts the Forum. She's a very busy mother and will, hopefully, not leave it too long before she
joins The Forum. I've just found, in a pocket at the back of Vol.II, the 'PEDIGREE OF THE HAWTREY FAMILY' beginning with Anne Sleech and Charles
Hawtrey, Rector of Heavitree, Sub Dean of Exeter. I've got a lot of reading to do!!! Oh, she also said I might as well borrow her copy of 'ETON' by
Christopher Hollis, inside the cover of which is a painting of 'The Fourth of June, 1850', you may have seen this painting of Eton boys rowing on The
Thames.
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Posts: 1056 (05/02/08 07:24:39) |
Florence Molesworth Hawtrey built 54 Alma Road Windsor in 1901.
In the front bedroom window is scratched 'Seymour and Maud. February 1902'. They were Seymour and Maud Hawtrey and they came to stay soon after their marriage. This is a picture of them in 1902. 
I also have a picture of them in Dar es Salaam in 1932. I think Seymour edited the newspaper out there. I also have a picture of Seymour aged six with Aunt Flo and Aunt Anne dating from 1878 plus another picture that I am trying to identify with the help of a relation in Malta, reproduced below. 
Subsequent occupants of the house were two mayors and a bank manager. I am familiar with the book, 'History of the Hawtrey Family' Now how do I know all this I wonder...!!!
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I also have another really big picture of a lady, believed to be Florence Hawtrey. I had better put a copy here so perhaps your friend can identify it? Small
world, innit!
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Posts: 101 (05/02/08 07:34:48) |
That was quick - I'll phone my friend and tell her, or read to her, your above news. Well, perhaps, you might be a long-lost relative of hers???????
She'll be thrilled to bits, I know.....she has literally tons of info and I will insist she gets on The Forum..... She has connections to
'Chequers', the country home of the Prime Minister - do you ???????? Also connected to Brave Lady Mary of Corfe Castle.....it goes on.....
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Posts: 102 (05/02/08 07:59:19) |
Have spoken to my friend, she says to say that she has a photo of some members of her family, (she's on it too), standing outside the church next to
Chequers. They were there to unveil the memorial in the church, paid for by a relative of her's who lives in Malta........she is standing next to Lady
Margaret Thatcher and was subsequently in the newspaper, as 'Mrs' Thatcher had told her to 'get closer to me'.........she said the photo was
taken in around 1990, but it's a good picture of her.....I've badgered her again about joining The Forum, she wants me to 'keep her
posted'.......
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Posts: 1058 (05/02/08 08:06:41) |
That would be Ursula then!!!
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Posts: 103 (05/02/08 08:12:53) |
Have saved the picture, and e-mailed it to her.....
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I am a friend of Pat Larkin and descended from Montague and also John Hawtrey, both brothers of Stephen Hawtrey. From your note to Pat Larkin, Seymour was Florence's nephew and, if we are thinking of the same Ursula, Ursula is his daughter. Are you a relative? If so, where do you fit into the family tree? I would be interested to see the photo of Seymour with Aunt Florence and Anna (I presume her eldest sister). I am not sure about the picture of Florence Hawtrey since I do not already have a picture of her. Have you read the Hawtrey books? Have you previously heard about the Chequers 'do', featuring Margaret Thatcher? I am interested to know of any more information you have. I was interested to read your notes to Pat Larkin. |
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Posts: 108 (05/02/08 12:51:06) |
Hello, Phyllisamelia, I have e-mailed to you the photos, just go back into your e-mails and have another look, they're also on this page......I'm SO
glad you've 'got on' the Forum and now you don't have to phone me, or I you, any more.....I'll return your Hawtrey Family books when we
come down again.....I've started reading the one on 'Eton', very good, and all those traditions too. I hadn't a clue.
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Posts: 1065 (05/02/08 16:09:52) |
I am delighted to see your first post on our forum. I will see that you get information about my connection by email.
Here is Seymour aged six, with Aunt Flo (on R) and Aunt Anne in 1878. 
Here is a fragment of a receipt dated December 1901 and made out by photographers J Russell of the High Street for 18 cabinet photographs at a Special Price of £1 11s 6d (one pound, eleven shillings and sixpence, about £1.67). It is made out to Lieut. H C Hawtrey. In itself it is of no value. But as a survivor for over 100 years, quite remarkable! 
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Posts: 109 (05/03/08 00:20:09) |
Where would '13 High St, Windsor' be on today's map of Windsor?
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Posts: 1066 (05/03/08 00:52:30) |
Not quite sure without going to look, but it is roughly opposite the Parish Church. Both 'odds' and 'evens' are on the same side so the former
Express offices were at no. 4 for many years and The Castle Hotel at no. 18 opposite the Guildhall. There are a couple of shops with really large windows on
the first floor so I suspect that would have suited a photographers studio.
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Posts: 110 (05/03/08 09:26:13) |
I remember being told by my sister-in-law, (Dorset branch), that she was taken on, many moons ago, when she was 15, by a lady in a tearoom/cake shop along that stretch opposite The Parish Church......I can only remember the lady's first name, it was Gertrude. When she gets back from her holiday, I'll email her and get more info. The cake shop was still 'going' when I lived in Windsor, was it 'Ann Paige', or was that the 'fashion' shop? Someone else might remember. Sister-in-law was also a member of The Windsor Sea Rangers and rowed many times on the Thames in their boat. I'll try to get some pictures of her in the boat. Someone might remember her from those days. |
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Posts: 1070 (05/03/08 14:40:05) |
According to Kelly, 1953, '13 High Street. Anne Page, homemade cake shop & restaurant.
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Posts: 111 (05/03/08 23:54:23) |
Another coincidence then. This Hawtrey connection is turning up all sorts of things!! Kelly's - do they have a website? Can I just buy a copy in town in
Smith's? Would I find them in our local library? thanks for any info.
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Posts: 1071 (05/04/08 01:11:22) |
The modern equivalent is kellysearch.co.uk but for the last two hundred years 'Kelly's'
was a printed listing of addresses, businesses and private individuals for each town in the country. I have editions from the 30s, 50s and 70s and are useful
for research, but they are hard to come by as of course normally they would have been thrown out when the next edition was published, like phone books.
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Posts: 1078 (05/06/08 15:46:23) |
Oh, look. Here's Florence's book!
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Posts: 117 (05/06/08 23:15:21) |
Where and how did you 'come by' this then?? This is Vol.II. I've clicked on and had a very quick look, it starts at Chapter XXXV. Having both
volumes, here, next to me, is so good, and having this new link is fantastic. I can return phyllisamelia's Vol.II and take my time now on reading Vol.I.
Well done, and it seems to be signed too....come on now, spill the beans..I know how phyllisamelia managed to get hold of her copies, so ?.......'your'
copy is signed as well, so, you must either have a really good contact somewhere, or, perhaps you've surfed the net...questions, questions, but, what a
find.. I read in one of the volumes that there was, (yet another), stained glass window. This time in, I think, Trinity Church. I must re-read that chapter.
Such a great story told by Florence and some of the family letters are quite touching and show how the style of writing has changed so much since then. It is a
really great story and opens up the Hawtrey family to all of us. Thankyou for including this link.
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I was just checking to see if Google had found this thread by searching for the thread title as there must be a number of Hawtreys out there following up their
family history too. That is how I found the link used above from this page www.archive.org
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Posts: 119 (05/07/08 02:36:31) |
Vol.II, CHAPTER LXXVII, pages 379 - 382, 'LAST DAYS'. I have just read this and it's a very moving chapter. I'm not reading in any particular
order, I'm just opening the book and reading whatever's there. Thanks for the link above, I've saved it to 'favourites'..have you
researched where the name 'Hawtrey' comes from? Is it English, French maybe. I'm going to have a look in one of the 'name search site'.
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Posts: 120 (05/07/08 06:30:40) |
In Vol.I. of The History of The Hawtrey Family, on page 2, two-thirds of the page down, 'It had been acquired by the marriage of Sir William de Alta Ripa,
Dawtrey or Hawtrey of Algarkirk in Lincolnshire.......' so, which surname is the true one?
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