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Pat Larkin |
Caleys and Woolworth |
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Is anything happening with these two sites? Has the fate of the old 'Woolies' site been decided, does anyone know please?
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the jiffle king |
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I think Caleys is going to be a hotel on top and some small shops underneath (Sure I read that on this forum somewhere)
Not sure about Woolworths.. Strange shaped shop, difficult to let I think as it's a quirky layout and quite large. You'd need to be quite large to take it and then you have to deliver to it. My guess as a retail specialist is that the discount Supermarkets would see it as too large for a town centre location, Tesco might think about it, but possibly have other plans in the town, For a super market, it's an awkward layout anyway. Clothing shop? difficult to say really but it's large, so it would take an M&S size venture... We have the standard chains in the New King Edward court, so it's tough to see anyone going into it..... Potential companies might be Primark.... ummm not many others actually We'd all ove the idea of lots of small shops, but I'm not convinced this would work in that location remembering the rent will be very high and the cost of fitting out that area will be in excess of 2 million...... probably 5 million to be honest. I do hope someone has better knowledge than me, mine is just a work based opinion |
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thamesweb |
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...mine is just a work based opinion... Interesting nonetheless. I hadn't really considered that size could be a drawback but I do see that the site could be too large a lump to swallow for all but the most profitable retailers, and who need that much space. Perhaps a 'Biba' style solution would be appropriate where lots of interesting, smaller, companies, share the space, but I am not confident of success for this solution either, as many retailers start off with all sorts of good intentions, but fall by the wayside when the cash runs out... |
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Pat Larkin |
Woolworth's - that was. | ||
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I've been told that in Bexhill, there was a similar situation, (not necessarily involving an empty Woolworth's). This shop's area has been
turned around by using the general public's need of somewhere to sell their unwanted household goods and chattels. There are car-boot sales, I know, and
they're okay for the Summer season, but during the Winter months, a table can be hired or rented on this shop's floorspace for a few pounds.
Is there a back entrance/exit to this building?
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spranglebolt |
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Latest of several rumours re woolies is that Iceland are interested. Can't see that working though, in view of parking. The only area at the back is v
limited (that's where someone was clamped recently) and round by the library. I don't envisage a quick answer to this one.
Heard some time ago that Tkmax were pursuing the Caleys site. Can you imagine it? What a downturn! |
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Pat Larkin |
Clampers. | ||
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The 'clampers' would have to be 'sorted' if Iceland did take this shop over, surely. Any volunteers?
We have an Iceland here, but not in the town-centre, it's about as far away from the centre as perhaps Dedworth is to Windsor....but, trade has increased since the downturn and perhaps it might be a good time for an Iceland or something similar to open in Peascod Street. Empty shops look so mournful and it doesn't look good to visitors either. |
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the jiffle king |
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I just don't think that as a food place it would be affordable. I dread to think what the rent would be. It's just too big a store, too awkward a
layout to attract anything other than a small supermarket chain (You'd only really attract an Iceland or a Somerfield) and the idea of lots of small stores
is great, but the rents would be high for each of them and the fitment costs enormous... We must just wait and hope that one of the large retailers takes a
punt in Windsor... A minimum of 5million in my opinion to open a store with the lease, fitment, recruitment, stock.... and no real ROI until at least next
year.... Tricky....
Leases are being priced out of the market right now, we as residents just want the place filled... |
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Pat Larkin |
Iceland v Somerfield, or something 'completely different'... | ||
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We had two Woolworth stores in Eastbourne, one large, one small. We also had a branch in Hailsham. The Eastbourne two were sold many moons ago, leaving us with
the small, but popular, Hailsham branch.....Christmastime in Woolies in Hailsham, was always a favourite time - not any more. I don't even know what's
in that lovely old Woolies space, because we don't visit the village now.....a village or town can suffer if just one popular and familiar shop closes
down.
I hope Windsor can find a suitable replacement, not only for the locals but for the visitors as well. A town needs a magnet. Something to draw the shoppers in....I know, there's the castle, and that will always attract tourists, but women especially love to shop and browse for hours on end, and without reasonably sized shops, it's difficult flitting from one small shop to another. It kind of breaks the rhythm. Add to that the usually bad weather in Autumn and Winter, and the bigger department stores win hands down. I can't even imagine coming to Windsor again and not seeing Caleys, Woolworth's and maybe now, Daniels.....The old bus and railway station does have ample coffee shops and boutiques, but, they're no substitute, in my humble opinion, for the larger, familiar, well-stocked department stores. Let's hope a wise and popular decision is forthcoming, whatever the choice of company may be. |
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the jiffle king |
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Pat, Sadly I think it's purely an economic necessity rather than a choice for the landlord.They will fill with whoever will pay them the right rent, and I think there are very few who could afford the rents Windsor commands. The niche shops are being forced out with only the big players able to pay the rents. A retailer will need to turnover great sums to be able to afford the space.... It's a shame there will not be many retailers fighting to get this space, but I think it will be a discount chain (I hope to be wrong) or an Iceland/Somerfield type.... I also don't think it will be filled for 2-3 years...again I hope this is wrong
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Took a stroll past the old Caley's tonight to see what the status was. Obviously there is quite a bit of construction going on, but the only way to see the
expansion is to walk along the side by taking the "Acre Passage" between a couple shops on Peascod. It doesn't seem to be moving along very
quickly. The front of the building on High Street is still covered by scaffolding, but it appears they are not making huge changes to the front of the
building. I don't know what it used to look like, but it appears to me like they are just doing some refurbishing, repainting, etc. The one area I really
couldn't see is the ground floor store-front portion - that was covered almost completely. Hopefully it isn't actually going to be a TJ Maxx. Not that
I wouldn't like having that store in Windsor, but that would be an inappropriate location for it.
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thamesweb |
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...they are not making huge changes to the front of the building. And neither should they! The facade is listed and so should be retained while all the work goes on behind it. There should be lots of scaffolding to hold it upright for it would not be the first time that such structures 'accidentally' fell down while work was carried out on the site behind. Albert Institute for one. (Allegedly!) |
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